Another chance to vote

31 01 2010

Has the Church abandoned Vatican II? You can vote in the poll on the sidebar. We thought it was disappointing when the poll was taken down from the “Stand up for Vatican II” site. Things had been a bit quiet there (about 65 noes to 55 ayes) but when the word went round the blogs, the number of noes jumped to over 1000 in a day or so. Then it was inexplicably removed – and there was me thinking that they wanted everyone to have a say.

Anyway we’ve put it back ‘cos we care what you think 😉

(Over the next couple days we’ll give y’all a chance to write those Testimonials, too.)

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Doing what she tells me to do

31 01 2010

Checking the orginal sources

Reading the council documents, that is.

Like Gaudium et Spes, for example. It must be kosher, even Myra Poole agrees that it is.

Here’s what Gaudium et Spes has to say on the subject of abortion, to pick a subject at random:

Paragraph 27
Furthermore, whatever is opposed to life itself, such as any type of murder, genocide, abortion, euthanasia or wilful self-destruction, whatever violates the integrity of the human person, such as mutilation, torments inflicted on body or mind, attempts to coerce the will itself; whatever insults human dignity, such as subhuman living conditions, arbitrary imprisonment, deportation, slavery, prostitution, the selling of women and children; as well as disgraceful working conditions, where men are treated as mere tools for profit, rather than as free and responsible persons; all these things and others of their like are infamies indeed. They poison human society, but they do more harm to those who practice them than those who suffer from the injury. Moreover, they are supreme dishonor to the Creator.

And paragraph 51
For God, the Lord of life, has conferred on men the surpassing ministry of safeguarding life in a manner which is worthy of man. Therefore from the moment of its conception life must be guarded with the greatest care while abortion and infanticide are unspeakable crimes.





S4VII: The inaugural meeting

30 01 2010

S4VII's uncontrollable youth wing





Fantasy, reality and Valerie Stroud: More on the S4VII meeting

30 01 2010

Val, bless her unflattering white t-shirt, has a rolling commentary on it. She would.

Anyway, quoting the master of ceremonies, Frank Regan (editor in chief of Renew, dontcha know) she says,

“With benign humour he noted the grey-power in the room and reminded us of the lack of young people in the Church. They were not interested in internal political struggle or dead Services when attending church. They wanted something that would inspire them to make the world a better place. The question we, of the senior generation, needed to address was how we were going to hand the Church on to the next generation.”

The grey power in the room is a polite reference to the fact that the average age at the meeting was 70+. And by the way, before we go any further let’s get the turnout right, once and for all. Valerie and Bernard Wynne have been saying that there were more than 200 people present. How can I put this politely? They either can’t count or they’re deliberately telling porky pies. I did a headcount at the meeting: 2 lines of 6 places each times 13 rows, at least two of which on the left hand side were half filled, plus say, five stragglers at the back, a couple each standing next to either wall and three speakers. That’s 181 people, 190 top whack.

It may seem like a small point but it’s important to be as accurate as possible at all times. It’s an antidote to any tendency there might be to inflate figures, say one thing while meaning the other and generally bend and stretch the truth until it snaps.

Back to Frank Regan’s comment. How does he know what young people think or want? Going by the meeting – there were three people aged under 40 there, I was one, Tablet staffer, Christopher Lamb another and the third, who looked like a 20 something, was seated at the back next to her very loud mum – and leaving out any kids he might or might not have, it’s probably the case that he doesn’t much contact with young people, still less the kind of meaningful interaction which would enable him to articulate their views.

I’m only asking.





R-r-r-r-adio, suckers never play me

30 01 2010

I guess you know you guess I’m just a radical
Not a sabbatical – yes to make it critical
The only part your body should be parting to
Panther power on the hour from the rebel to you





Boom! Shake shake the room

30 01 2010

Geriatrics for a Changeling Church

Or put your stairlift in gear for Vatican II





It’s hip, so hot it hurts, urban, sassy and very, very Catholic

30 01 2010

No, not Stand up for Vatican II, silly. That’s like, so tired.

This blog is where it’s at.

Comin’ atcha.

Reclaiming Vatican II: It’s our Council and our Church.

Or think of it this way: traditional values in a modern setting (c) Prezza.

😉